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Message 2474 - Posted: 1 Aug 2011, 7:58:16 UTC

We are very happy to announce our advance from Alpha-test level to Beta.

This means no more need for an invitation code to join the project, so please tell your friends that we are now open to everyone. We aim to accept about 1000 active Beta testers, with about 2000 PC's running.

During the Beta period we will be introducing a graphic display to show volunteers what is happening with the CERN jobs that their Virtual Machine is running.

We are also working on a longer-term enhancement to allow volunteers to get more directly engaged with the science - stay tuned!

Congratulations and thanks to all our Alpha testers for your patience and help, and welcome to Beta...

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Message 2492 - Posted: 1 Aug 2011, 16:59:45 UTC - in response to Message 2474.

Bravo, bravo, bravissimo! To the whole T4T LHC@home 2.0 team.
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Message 2493 - Posted: 1 Aug 2011, 17:08:02 UTC

You know, if the project is "going public", BOINCstats will list betas, and we could get our credits at this project into our totals.

I am giving up, donating five threads which right now do not go into my credit at BOINCstats.

I would sure enjoy seeing that activity in my totals.
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Message 2496 - Posted: 1 Aug 2011, 18:37:39 UTC - in response to Message 2474.
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what good news! Daniel thank you very much, I'm really happy for that :D
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Message 2499 - Posted: 1 Aug 2011, 21:27:02 UTC - in response to Message 2493.

You know, if the project is "going public", BOINCstats will list betas, and we could get our credits at this project into our totals.

I am giving up, donating five threads which right now do not go into my credit at BOINCstats.

I would sure enjoy seeing that activity in my totals.


Yes, we are going to report credit statistics now we are on Beta level.

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Message 2500 - Posted: 1 Aug 2011, 22:05:11 UTC

Fabulous!! Thanks so much.
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Message 2501 - Posted: 1 Aug 2011, 22:26:58 UTC

THX! So I'm back in again ;)
I was one of those nasty bastards that went uninvited for the first test, that wasn't intended to be open ;)

Unfortunately it's gone with the wind: http://cvmathome.cern.ch/test4theory/results.php?userid=14

But that's life :D
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Message 2503 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 0:00:58 UTC

I think that there should be a goal for scale of the project. There is an obvious benchmark: SETI@home. SETI@home is the largest of the projects running on BOINC software, and well it should be. This project is the mother ship of all of BOINC.

SETI@home has 153,482 users on 234,068 "hosts" (computers). The current average per second is 499.708 TeraFLOPS (source BOINCstats). That would be about 14th on the list of the TOP500 super computers, just above BlueGen/L at LLNL which is at 458.61, except of course that SETI is virtual, being distributed, and does not count.

The LHC is the largest scientific experiment ever devised my man - if one can call it one experiment. For anyone who has seen the Gray Book of participating institutions world wide; for anyone who has visited the CERN web pages for ATLAS, ALICE, CMS, LHCb; if one reads any of the blog posts at Quantum Diaries, it just becomes obvious that the quantities of data are enormous.

If LHC@home 2.0 is to be thought of as a significant help, the project needs to have huge scale.

So, looking at SETI@home is not outlandish. It is a goal. At the rate that some guys can build Linux boxes on the cheap, this should not be totally out of reach. Over at World Community Grid, there have formed up teams of crunchers who build and "race" their machines, with WCG credits as the telling scores.

This is not WCG, we get one WU per machine at any one time. So, no racing. But the LHC itself should be enough of a hook to get the project into that sphere of scale and size.

I offer these thoughts with complete respect for the the scientists, I/T people, managers and administrators of this project.
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Message 2504 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 2:36:22 UTC

Scientists are not going to port their programs to Windows for the sake of BOINC. The BOINC_VM strategy is viable and all Windows users can participate.
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Message 2506 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 2:45:46 UTC - in response to Message 2504.

Scientists are not going to port their programs to Windows for the sake of BOINC. The BOINC_VM strategy is viable and all Windows users can participate.
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If you were responding for my suggestion of having a goal for scale, I said nothing about Windows or any other platform.

Regardless of the platform, if LHC@home 2.0 is to have any significance whatsoever, it will need to be of sufficient scale as to operate in the LHC environment.

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Message 2509 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 6:58:49 UTC - in response to Message 2506.

You are formally right. I was replying to a question you posed in another thread:
So, my question is, can T4T, even if it succeeds in its process, can T4T and then LHC@home 2.0 be a real help if it sticks to Linux.

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Message 2512 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 7:39:41 UTC

Dear Mitrich and Tullio,

There is no difference between having a native application for T4T for each platform or running it via a VM from the point of view of the simulations and the results. In all the cases your computers will help scientists in their research, as the simulations are run in Windows, GNU/Linux and Mac OS X.

As I have said in other thread, the only difference between this project and other standard BOINC ones is that we only use virtual machines, the rest is the same ;)

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Message 2513 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 7:40:11 UTC - in response to Message 2501.

THX! So I'm back in again ;)
I was one of those nasty bastards that went uninvited for the first test, that wasn't intended to be open ;)

Unfortunately it's gone with the wind: http://cvmathome.cern.ch/test4theory/results.php?userid=14

But that's life :D


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Welcome back to the project!! I hope you enjoy your time here!!!

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Message 2518 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 8:30:00 UTC

Dear all,

You can find the project T4T in BOINCstats.com:

http://boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=test4theory

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Message 2520 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 10:10:32 UTC - in response to Message 2518.

Dear all,

You can find the project T4T in BOINCstats.com:

http://boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=test4theory

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Yes, yes, thanks so much.

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Message 2521 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 10:27:44 UTC - in response to Message 2509.

You are formally right. I was replying to a question you posed in another thread:
So, my question is, can T4T, even if it succeeds in its process, can T4T and then LHC@home 2.0 be a real help if it sticks to Linux.

Tullio


Yes, absolutely. Linux boxes can be built by knowledgeable individuals on the cheap. The knowledgeable part leaves me out. But I have been around BOINC and WCG long enough to know that there are guys (I use that term merely as a shorthand, I include both men and women) who have cellars filled with shelving lined with cheaply built Linux boxes.

Also, there are whole organizations, mostly schools and research institutions, where the organization has formed up a team, put much of the organization's computer infrastructure on BOINC and WCG, and gotten the students or employees who are interested to join that team.

I am not saying this is simple.

For example, it is very good if a member of the project speaks to his or her colleagues who are from other institutions and asks them to try to get something started at their home institution or university. CERN is loaded with doctoral students and post-docs who come, stay, go home, come back, etc. People like them should be approached. I do a lot of posting in my blog for the US/LHC blog people. I am going to put comments in as many blog posts as I can find. Two doors from me lives the Dean of the Honors College of a very large research university, of which I am a proud alum (but not for anything scientific). I will speak to her next time she walks her dog. It's like that, we need to do outreach. Now that we are public, I will be speaking to the guy who owns the computer shop in my town. He is already a cruncher, so he should be interested.
I will be posting email to my team, HPCTC-CAE.

Ach, I could go on and on.

Anyway, platforms neutral here. You guys who run the project do as you see it proper to do, but keep scale and a decent goal in your minds.

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Message 2522 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 10:56:45 UTC

I mentioned going out to the US/LHC bloggers. If anyone wants me to stay away from these people, by all means, tell me.
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Message 2524 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 12:05:32 UTC
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I am seeing people at SETI@home building Windows rigs with GPU boards, nVidia and ATI drivers, optimized applications from Lunatics, overclocked CPUs, water cooled heat exchangers,etc. I don't think they would have any problem in downloading a VirtualBox to run T4T and other LHC@home 2.0 programs. Some of them have asked me for information on how to participate and I gave it to them.
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Message 2525 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 12:11:14 UTC - in response to Message 2524.

Tullio-

You are The Man!! That is exactly what this project needs to happen.
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Message 2527 - Posted: 2 Aug 2011, 12:43:18 UTC - in response to Message 2525.

Tullio-

You are The Man!! That is exactly what this project needs to happen.

Well, thanks. I absolutely agree with the opinion on the James Webb Space Telescope. It should go ahead instead of spending money to send people in space.
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